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Lisa M. Super
Clermont, FL Probate Lawyer with 12 years of experience
Probate, Business, Consumer and Real Estate
Ave Maria School of Law
Lisa M. Super is a real estate attorney with the Central Florida full service law firm of Bogin, Munns & Munns. Ms. Super has worked for title companies and legal practices since 2014, starting in Naples and then relocating to Orlando. Her practice areas include Residential Real Estate, Commercial Real Estate, Contract Law, Civil Litigation, Business Law, and Probate. She received her J.D. from the Ave Maria School of Law and her B.A. from Eastern Michigan University. She spent time as a student in Germany and is fluent in both English and German.
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Keith Patrick Arago
Kissimmee, FL Probate Lawyer with 13 years of experience
Probate, Business and Consumer
University of Notre Dame Law School
Keith Patrick Arago is a litigation attorney with the Central Florida full service law firm of Bogin, Munns & Munns. He practices Commercial Litigation, Real Estate Litigation, Consumer Litigation, Probate Litigation, Defamation (Slander/Libel) Litigation.
Mr. Arago attended Franciscan University of Steubenville for his undergraduate studies. He received his Bachelor of Arts in History in 2008. He earned his Juris Doctor degree from the University of Notre Dame Law School in 2011. He is a member of the Christian Legal Society, Catholic Lawyers Guild, and Osceola County Bar Association. He has received numerous awards, including the Francis Parkman...
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Matthew Alan Linde
Fort Myers, FL Probate Attorney with 31 years of experience
Probate, Elder, Estate Planning and Tax
Golden Gate University School of Law and University of Wisconsin Law School
Matthew A. Linde is passionate about justice in contested probate, guardianship and trust litigation matters. Mr. Linde is one of only a few attorneys in Florida who have attained Board Certification by the Florida Bar in Elder Law and also in Wills, Trusts and Estates. Certification is the Florida Bar’s highest evaluation of an attorney's competency, experience and professionalism in the areas of law approved for specialization. Do you need an Expert in Elder Law and Wills, Trusts and Estates? If so Matthew A. Linde has been evaluated for professionalism and tested for expertise!
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John Zielinski
Orlando, FL Probate Attorney with 39 years of experience
Probate and Business
University of Illinois College of Law
John W. Zielinski attended the University of Illinois, earning his bachelor's degree in 1983 and his Juris doctorate in 1986. Mr. Zielinski has more than 25 years of civil litigation experience, practicing in several jurisdictions, including Florida (2001) and Illinois (1986). He litigates disputes in both state and federal courts, including the United States District Courts for the Northern District of Illinois and the United States District Courts for the Middle District of Florida. He routinely and successfully litigates civil disputes, including commercial contract disputes, real estate contracts, commercial and residential landlord/tenant disagreements, mortgage foreclosure cases, and contested wills. In...
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Charles PT Phoenix
Fort Myers, FL Probate Attorney with 24 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate, Estate Planning, Family and Tax
University of Alabama School of Law and Wayne State University Law School
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Kristine L. Tucker
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 10 years of experience
Probate and Estate Planning
Florida A&M University College of Law
Attorney Kristine L. Tucker began her legal career in 2004 as a probate and estates paralegal shortly after moving to the Central Florida Area. The ability to comfort and assist people during some of their most difficult times, such as during the death or incapacity of a loved one, has always been of the utmost importance to her. In 2011, she began attended Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University, College of Law, with the hope of receiving her law degree and continuing on in the area of trusts and estates.
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Christopher John Shipley
Mount Dora, FL Probate Lawyer with 23 years of experience
(352) 383-3397
20110 U.S. Highway 441
Suite A
Mount Dora, FL 32757-6901
Probate, Bankruptcy, Family and Foreclosure Defense
Florida State University College of Law, Florida State University College of Business, Florida State University College of Business and Florida State University College of Business
Professional: Admitted to The Florida Bar on September 17, 2002 (Bar Number 0568831); licensed as a Florida Certified Public Accountant (License Number AC34985) on June 11, 2002; admitted to the Federal Bar, United States District Court, Middle District of Florida, on November 13, 2002; United States Tax Court. on July 29, 2008. Personal: Born Lakeland, Florida, on February 8, 1967. Married to Melody A. Shipley nee Cottingham of New Port Richey, Florida on January 29, 1994. Three sons and two daughters. Education: B.S. in Management, The Florida State University, 1994 B.S. in Accounting, The...
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Karen Harkness Houser
Orlando, FL Probate Attorney with 33 years of experience
(855) 473-1818
1000 Legion Place, Suite 1000
Gateway Center
Orlando, FL 32801
Probate, Business, Estate Planning and Real Estate
St. Thomas University School of Law
Karen Harkness Houser is an attorney with the Central Florida law firm of Bogin, Munns & Munns, operating out of the firm's Melbourne office. She specializes in Commercial & Residential Real Estate, Corporate Law, Estate Planning, and Elder Law.
She graduated from Virginia Tech with her B.S. in 1981 and received her J.D. from the St. Thomas University School of Law in 1991. In 1992, Ms. Houser earned her LL.M in Taxation from the esteemed College of William and Mary.
She has handled numerous cases including Office, Warehouse, Shopping Center & Hotel Projects, Acquisition & Disposition of Raw Land, Construction...
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William J. Wieland
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 41 years of experience
(855) 473-1818
1000 Legion Place, Suite 1000
Gateway Center
Orlando, FL 32801
Probate, Business, Family and Real Estate
Cumberland School of Law, Samford University
William "Bill" Wieland is an attorney for the Central Florida law firm of Bogin, Munns & Munns. He operates out of the firm's Melbourne and Orlando locations.
He graduated Pre-Med from Wake Forest University in 1973, and received his J.D. from the Cumberland School of Law of Samford University in 1984. Mr. Wieland has over 30 years' experience and practices in a wide array of fields.
He began his focus in Personal Injury, Wrongful Death, Products Liability, Insurance Defense, and Medical Malpractice. In 2004 he became a title insurance agent, expanding his practice areas even further to include Real...
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Debra G Simms
Fruitlando, FL Probate Attorney with 36 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate, Bankruptcy and Estate Planning
Cleveland State University Cleveland-Marshall College of Law
I am a Board Certified Elder Law attorney practicing primarily in the areas of Estate Planning, Medicaid Asset Protection, Probate, Guardianship, Family Law, and Bankruptcy. These are all areas which affect senior citizens. I have 3 locations to best serve my clients: The Villages, Orlando, and Volusia County, FL
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Theresa Daniels
Fort Myers, FL Probate Lawyer with 14 years of experience
Probate, Divorce and Family
Barry University Dwayne O. Andreas School of Law
A Lee County, Florida native, Theresa Daniels received her Bachelor of Science degree in Business Management from Hodges University (formerly International College) in Fort Myers. She later graduated with honors from Barry University School of Law in Orlando. While in law school, she was a Senior Editor for the Barry Law Review, Executive Board Member of the Barry Association of Women Lawyers, Member of the Student Trial Advocacy Team, and Certified Legal Intern representing juvenile defendants through the school's Children and Families Clinical program. Prior to attending law school, Theresa was the President, Founder and Non-Attorney Claimant...
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Joan DeMichael Henry
Cape Coral, FL Probate Lawyer with 27 years of experience
Probate, Estate Planning and Real Estate
Stetson University College of Law
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Andrea Anderson
Clermont, FL Probate Attorney with 26 years of experience
Probate, Bankruptcy, Criminal Defense and Family
Touro College Jacob D. Fuchsberg Law Center
Andrea Anderson is an Of Counsel attorney for the Central Florida full service law firm of Bogin, Munns & Munns. Ms. Anderson is a graduate of Touro College, having received her J.D. in 1998. Since then, she has become licensed to practice law in Connecticut, New York, and Florida. Ms. Anderson practices a wide variety of areas, including Family Law, Probate, and Personal Injury. Her focus is in Bankruptcy and Criminal Law.
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Justin M Brick
Clermont, FL Probate Attorney with 13 years of experience
Probate, Estate Planning and Real Estate
Barry University Dwayne O. Andreas School of Law
Justin Brick is an estate planning & probate attorney with the Central Florida full service law firm, Bogin, Munns & Munns. He serves the Orlando, Kissimmee, and Clermont areas. His areas of practice include Estate Planning, Probate, Trust Administration, Real Estate Transactions, and Landlord/Tenant matters.
Justin received his undergraduate degree in Geoscience from Pennsylvania State University and his law degree from Barry University School of Law located in Orlando, Florida. While at Barry, Justin earned the highest grade (the book award) in Construction Law; Criminal Procedure; Animal Rights Law; Copyright Law; and Legal Research and Writing II. He...
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S. I. Valbh
Clermont, FL Probate Attorney with 28 years of experience
Probate, Business, Estate Planning and Tax
Georgetown University Law Center and Drake University Law School
S.I. "Sandy" Valbh is an Of Counsel attorney for the Central Florida law firm of Bogin, Munns & Munns. He practices Business Law, Estate Planning & Probate Law, Tax Law, Civil Litigation, and Commercial Litigation.
He received his B.S. from Florida State University, double-majoring in Finance and Accounting (1994). He earned his J.D. from Drake University College of Law (graduating With Honors in 1997) and his LL.M. from the Georgetown University Law Center (graduating With Distinction in 1998).
Mr. Valbh assists with Estate and Trust Administration, Business and Commercial Transactions, Corporate and Partnership Tax Planning, and representation before the Internal...
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Scott Schlegel
Orlando, FL Probate Attorney with 28 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate, Divorce, Estate Planning and Family
Stetson University College of Law
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Christopher Hancock
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 14 years of experience
Probate, Divorce, Estate Planning and Family
Florida A&M University College of Law
Mr. Hancock is the Managing Partner at Hancock & Associates, P.A. He graduated from undergraduate school at the University of Central Florida in 2003, where he received his Bachelors of Science in Psychology. He attended and graduated from Florida A&M College of Law, in Orlando, FL, and received his Juris Doctor in 2010. He has been a member of the Florida Bar and a practicing attorney since September, 2010. During law school, he was a summer associate at McCreary & Hancock, P.A., in Orlando, Florida, and later was a clerk for the Judge of Compensation Claims in Orlando, FL....
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Matthew DeBoard
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 12 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate, Estate Planning, Personal Injury and Real Estate
Florida A&M University College of Law
Matt DeBoard is a Senior Partner with Barrister Law Firm. Raised in the Orlando area, Mr. DeBoard earned his high school degree from Oak Ridge High School and later went on to American University in Washington, D.C. where he completed a double-major curriculum in both Physics and Communications. Mr. DeBoard earned his law degree from Florida A&M University College of Law in Orlando, where he achieved the highest grade of anyone in his class in both his Constitutional Law II and Trademark Seminar law classes.
Mr. DeBoard has decades of experience in both the real estate and mortgage businesses. Prior to...
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Christina M. Miner
Orlando, FL Probate Attorney with 16 years of experience
Probate and Business
Florida A&M University College of Law
Attorney Christina M. Miner is an associate attorney at Bloodworth Law, PLLC, in Winter Haven, and Orlando, Florida.
Christina handles Personal Injury Protection (PIP) litigation, commercial litigation, and estate and probate litigation.
Christina joined the team in April 2019 and has a range of legal experience in Central Florida law that began in 2009. Her focus is on client goals and providing options to best resolve legal issues.
“In estate litigation, I get to look at what clients have, what their goals are, and their wishes,” Christina said. “It’s my job to solve the financial puzzles and legal problems. Then I...
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Justin A. Meyer
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 13 years of experience
(321) 888-3334
6900 Tavistock Lakes Boulevard
Suite 400
Orlando, FL 32827
Free ConsultationProbate, Business, Elder and Estate Planning
William & Mary Marshall-Wythe School of Law
I have worked for Finra, a financial regulator; LeClairRyan; and the Legal Aid Society of Eastern Virginia. I have been recognized as a Technology Litigation Fellow by the Center for Legal and Court Technology, in Williamsburg, Virginia and was selected to participate in the Center’s annual lab trial. I focus on corporate law and estate planning for the small business owner. During my time at Finra, I worked in Registration and Disclosure, developing policies relating to past criminal sanctions, as well as assisting in decisions regarding expungment of customer complaints against registered brokers. While at LeClairRyan, I...
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Thomas Dryden
Fort Myers, FL Probate Lawyer with 42 years of experience
Probate, Business, Collections and Real Estate
Mercer University Walter F. George School of Law
I have been practicing law in the Fort Myers area for over 30 years (licensed since 1982). My practice focuses in the areas of real estate, association law, construction, business, probate and civil litigation. I have been Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Real Estate since 1996 and in August 2013 I became Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Business Litigation. In addition, in January 2014 I received the AV Preeminent Peer Review Rating by Martindale Hubbell. I am highly experienced in both bench and jury trials, however, my preference is to settle the case whenever possible....
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Adam A. Czaya
Crystal River, FL Probate Attorney with 13 years of experience
Probate and Estate Planning
Stetson University
Adam Czaya is an Attorney at the Keith Taylor Law Group, P.A. His fields of practice primarily include Probate and Estate Administration, Wills and Trusts, and Fiduciary Litigation.
Attorney Czaya attended the University of Florida, where he obtained a BA in History, and a BA in Russian. After graduation from the University of Florida in 2007, he earned his JD from Stetson University College of Law and was admitted to the Florida Bar in 2011. He was admitted to the Maine Bar in 2019.
Attorney Czaya joined the Keith Taylor Law Group in 2011. He is a member of the Florida Bar,...
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Skiles K Jones
Auburndale, FL Probate Lawyer with 8 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate and Estate Planning
Florida A&M University College of Law
Army Veteran handling Probate, Estate Planning, and Guardianship. Offices located in Orlando, Auburndale, and Tampa. We serve clients in the surrounding Central Florida areas and all of Florida. Orange County, Polk County, Hillsborough County, Lake County, Osceola County, Seminole County, Pinellas County.
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Patricia A. Carroll
Dade City, FL Probate Lawyer with 26 years of experience
Probate, Bankruptcy, Criminal Defense and Estate Planning
University of Florida
Former State Prosecutor
Serving Tampa Bay and Pasco County areas
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Lee Karina Dani
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 21 years of experience
Probate, Family, Landlord Tenant and Personal Injury
University of Florida Levin College of Law
Lee Karina Dani received her B.A. in psychology from Florida State University in 2000 and is a 2003 graduate of the University Of Florida College Of Law. Ms. Dani was admitted to the Florida Bar in 2004 and has been an associate with Korshak & Associates, P.A., since her admittance. Since joining the firm, Ms. Dani has handled hundreds of cases including civil litigation, probate, guardianships, divorces, child support, child custody, stepparent adoption, landlord/tenant, disputes with homeowners' associations, personal injury, and commercial and residential closings. Ms. Dani is the managing attorney for the probate, family law and guardianship sections of...
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Isaac David Tilton
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 16 years of experience
Probate, Bankruptcy and Business
Brooklyn Law School
Associate attorney Isaac Tilton handles bankruptcy, business and commercial litigation, trust litigation, estate litigation, and employment litigation for Bloodworth Law, PLLC, in Orlando, Florida.
Isaac has more than a decade of experience in commercial litigation and is licensed to practice law in Florida, New York, and California.
Isaac has experience in bankruptcy, commercial litigation including breach of contract, corporate disputes, partnership disputes, real estate disputes, fraud, and employment disputes.
Isaac received a Juris Doctorate, cum laude, from Brooklyn Law School in 2008. He was the Associate Managing Editor of the Journal of International Law. He was a member of the Moot Court Honor...
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Jennings Kemp Brinson
Winter Haven , FL Probate Attorney with 20 years of experience
Probate, Business and Employment
George Washington University - Virginia Campus
J. Kemp Brinson is a Partner at Bloodworth Law, PLLC, in Orlando, Florida, and Winter Haven, Florida. Kemp has practiced business litigation, trust litigation, probate litigation, and employment litigation since 2004.
Kemp is able to see legal issues as a plaintiff’s attorney and as a defendant’s attorney.
“I would describe it as perspective because I know what the other side is thinking,” Kemp said. And it’s most valuable in the settlement context because I know exactly what conversation is had if I’m on the plaintiff’s side or whether as the defendant’s attorney. I know what it’s going to take to...
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Joshua J. Tejes
Orlando, FL Probate Attorney with 17 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate, Bankruptcy, Consumer and Estate Planning
Florida Coastal School of Law
Attorney Joshua Tejes is a member and managing attorney of Tejes Law, PLLC. Josh received his undergraduate degree from Pensacola Christian College and his law degree from Florida Coastal School of Law. He is a member of the Orange County Bar Association and the Central Florida Bankruptcy Bar Association. Before becoming a member of Tejes Law, PLLC, Josh worked as an associate attorney in several bankruptcy and civil litigation law firms. Josh focuses his practice on consumer advocacy, bankruptcy law, debt defense, debt harassment, foreclosure defense, estate planning, and probate.
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Jeffrey Attia
Fort Myers, FL Probate Lawyer
Free ConsultationProbate, Elder and Estate Planning
Florida State University College of Law
Jeffrey Attia's practice focuses on assisting people through the probate and estate settlement process and on helping people preserve their wishes and secure their loved ones’ future with personalized and custom estate plans.
People who have recently lost a loved one and who are also responsible for administering their loved one's estate often face challenges. At The Law Office of Jeffrey Attia, PA, we effectively guide our clients each step of the way throughout the probate and estate settlement process. And we do so in a timely and cost-efficient manner.
Jeffrey Attia is a member of the Elder Law Section of The...
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Melissa K. Hancock
Ocala, FL Probate Lawyer with 21 years of experience
Probate, Divorce, Estate Planning and Family
Florida State University College of Law
Melissa K. Hancock was born and raised in Panama City, Florida. She obtained a Bachelor of Science degree in Elementary Education from Florida State University in 1997. Ms. Hancock taught fourth grade for two years and assisted with writing the curriculum for a conflict resolution program for grades K-5.
Ms. Hancock returned to Florida State University in 2000 where she obtained her Juris Doctor in 2003. She was employed at a prestigious local law firm in Ocala as an associate attorney from 2003 until 2015. Ms. Hancock established Melissa K. Hancock, P.A. in 2015. She obtained her board...
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Glen Compton Abbott
CRYSTAL RIVER, FL Probate Lawyer with 48 years of experience
(352) 795-5699
9030 W. FORT ISLAND TRAIL
SUITE 11B
CRYSTAL RIVER, FL 34429
Probate, Estate Planning and Real Estate
University of Florida
GLEN ABBOTT
A lifelong Floridian, Mr. Abbott was born and grew up in south Florida. He graduated from the University of Florida in both undergraduate studies and law school. Moving to Citrus County right out of law school, he has been serving clients in Citrus County and the surrounding area for his entire legal career. Mr. Abbott is past president of the Citrus County Bar Association. He is married and has two children and three stepchildren. Over the years he has been active in and supportive of youth sports and various civic organizations.
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Jennifer Isaksen
Bushnell, FL Probate Attorney with 23 years of experience
Probate, Estate Planning, Foreclosure Defense and Real Estate
Seton Hall University School of Law
Jennifer started her law practice 17 years ago, with a primary practice areas in real estate, foreclosure & collections and wills & probate. Jennifer desires to educate and empower her clients.
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Mr. Jeffrey R. Kuhns
Punta Gorda, FL Probate Attorney with 13 years of experience
Probate, Business, Estate Planning and Tax
Chapman University Fowler School of Law and Whittier Law School
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William T. McKinley
Bartow, FL Probate Lawyer with 17 years of experience
P.O Box 2226
Bartow, FL 33831
Free ConsultationProbate, Business, Employment and Estate Planning
Stetson University College of Law
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Nick J. Pineiro
Lakeland, FL Probate Attorney with 4 years of experience
Probate, Business, Construction and Estate Planning
Stetson University College of Law
I am a native Floridian and Cuban-American, born and raised in the vibrant state of Florida. In 2015, I completed my bachelor’s degree in Healthcare Administration at the University of Central Florida. Before stepping into the legal field, I was deeply involved in coordinating healthcare services for injured workers within Florida’s workers’ compensation system. This role provided me with invaluable experience in navigating complex regulations and advocating for those who were injured.
In 2017, I moved to Saint Petersburg to pursue my legal studies at Stetson University College of Law. During my time in law school, I sharpened my skills as...
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Dawn Ellis
Inverness, FL Probate Lawyer with 28 years of experience
Probate
Stetson University College of Law
As an attorney I understand the confusion people face when contemplating the probate process. There can be far more questions than answers, especially given the intricacies of Florida probate law.
In our initial consultation my goal is to gather enough information to determine whether probate is even necessary. Whenever possible the first objective is to avoid probate altogether.
Second, if probate is required, my goal is to provide information and answers to your questions, help you evaluate the types of probate available to the estate, and to provide a flat-fee quote for the related attorney’s fees and costs.
I practice probate...
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Patrick Lee Smith
Clermont, FL Probate Lawyer with 19 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate, Elder and Estate Planning
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
Attorney Patrick L. Smith was born in Lakeland, Florida. He graduated from Lake Region High School and went on to receive degrees in Political Science and Economics from Stetson University. He received his J.D. from the University of North Carolina School of Law. Prior to coming to Pippen & Associates, Patrick Smith worked at the Walt Disney World East coast tax department from 2002-2003. Patrick Smith is currently an attorney practicing in the fields of estate planning, corporations, and charitable giving. In addition to his current position as a partner at Pippen & Associates, he serves on the...
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Seton Hengesbach
Beverly Hills, FL Probate Lawyer with 16 years of experience
Free ConsultationProbate, Estate Planning, Juvenile and Real Estate
Nova Southeastern University
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Amber Nichole Williams
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 13 years of experience
Probate, Estate Planning, Family and Personal Injury
Stetson University College of Law
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Tonya Hills Walker
Orlando, FL Probate Lawyer with 22 years of experience
Probate, Business and Construction
Florida State University College of Law
Attorney Tonya Walker has practiced law since 2002 and is Of Counsel to Bloodworth Law, PLLC.
Based in Orlando, Florida, Tonya travels the state providing case support for probate litigation, trust litigation, construction litigation and commercial litigation cases.
Prior to Bloodworth Law, Tonya handled commercial litigation and construction litigation for Jacksonville, Florida, law firms Whalen & Deem, LLC, and Regan, Zebouni & Walker, P.A., in 2007-08.
Tonya continues to teach law students as a Legal Methods Instructor at Florida A&M University College of Law which she began in 2011. She taught at Florida Coastal School of Law in 2006.
Tonya was as an...